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	<title>Comments on: Elie Wiesel, Obama and the Palestinian Problem</title>
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		<title>By: WalidAbbadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>WalidAbbadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how some of the assumed &quot;Modal heroes&quot; people sometimes can be so hypocrites!.. they demand a thing for themselves, and at the same time  they deny it for others when it contradicts their interests

Mr. Wiesel had a great humanitarian efforts in different matters, specially defending Israel worst actions!.. But when it comes to the palestinians tragedy for example.. you hear nothing from him!.. how strange?

For years Wiesel has remained silent regarding the suffering and injustices committed against the Palestinian people by Zionists!.. While Wiesel supports &quot;the right of return&quot; for Jews to what so called Israel, he says nothing about millions palestinians refugees who had been thrown out of their lands since 1948 till now, he cannot even bring himself to tell the truth about what caused their diaspora.

He doesn&#039;t just remained silent about the continued Israeli military occupation of the Golan, West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem since 1967!.. but he also tried to justifed it!

It&#039;s very disappointing that a professor of humanities and a Nobel Peace Prize recipient such as Mr Wiesel can have double standards when ot comes to his race/religion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how some of the assumed &#8220;Modal heroes&#8221; people sometimes can be so hypocrites!.. they demand a thing for themselves, and at the same time  they deny it for others when it contradicts their interests</p>
<p>Mr. Wiesel had a great humanitarian efforts in different matters, specially defending Israel worst actions!.. But when it comes to the palestinians tragedy for example.. you hear nothing from him!.. how strange?</p>
<p>For years Wiesel has remained silent regarding the suffering and injustices committed against the Palestinian people by Zionists!.. While Wiesel supports &#8220;the right of return&#8221; for Jews to what so called Israel, he says nothing about millions palestinians refugees who had been thrown out of their lands since 1948 till now, he cannot even bring himself to tell the truth about what caused their diaspora.</p>
<p>He doesn&#8217;t just remained silent about the continued Israeli military occupation of the Golan, West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem since 1967!.. but he also tried to justifed it!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very disappointing that a professor of humanities and a Nobel Peace Prize recipient such as Mr Wiesel can have double standards when ot comes to his race/religion</p>
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		<title>By: betty malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>betty malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought about it that way...but our granddaughter is Jewish because her mother is Jewish, even though she will be free to choose her faith..She will always be Jewish..in the eyes of Israel. She even has citizenship because her mother is Israeli..

Interesting thought..the labels we give each other and ourselves and what it means to anyone..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought about it that way&#8230;but our granddaughter is Jewish because her mother is Jewish, even though she will be free to choose her faith..She will always be Jewish..in the eyes of Israel. She even has citizenship because her mother is Israeli..</p>
<p>Interesting thought..the labels we give each other and ourselves and what it means to anyone..</p>
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		<title>By: Nance Confer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nance Confer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve heard from people overseas that he IS a Muslim because he is descended from Muslims and that’s that. Of course, we Americans (mostly) believe you can change your faith. So he is and he isn’t. The end.

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Except he isn&#039;t. 

And saying he is, based not on his current real life but based on his paternity, riles up the crazies.

Does the &quot;father/Muslim = son/Muslim by default&quot; work the same way the &quot;mother/Jew = offspring/Jew&quot; idea? Paternal lineage matters versus maternal lineage?

Not that any of it matters in America. Unless the haters are looking for a reason to hate.

Nance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve heard from people overseas that he IS a Muslim because he is descended from Muslims and that’s that. Of course, we Americans (mostly) believe you can change your faith. So he is and he isn’t. The end.</p>
<p>*********</p>
<p>Except he isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>And saying he is, based not on his current real life but based on his paternity, riles up the crazies.</p>
<p>Does the &#8220;father/Muslim = son/Muslim by default&#8221; work the same way the &#8220;mother/Jew = offspring/Jew&#8221; idea? Paternal lineage matters versus maternal lineage?</p>
<p>Not that any of it matters in America. Unless the haters are looking for a reason to hate.</p>
<p>Nance</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean -- I feel like my childhood religious fellowship and my family&#039;s intelligent, educated conservatism were looted, pillaged and plundered the same way I feel now about my finances and security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean &#8212; I feel like my childhood religious fellowship and my family&#8217;s intelligent, educated conservatism were looted, pillaged and plundered the same way I feel now about my finances and security.</p>
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		<title>By: writestuff444</title>
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		<dc:creator>writestuff444</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sides are being drawn...and choices are going to have to be made. For so long, I have believed I could find a balanced Christian viewpoint that would be in the middle somewhere..and yet, I believe that less and less these days. 

Because while our middle is expanding, the bizarre reasoning of the extreme right is also expanding..and suddenly I find myself being sucked into groups and conversations where the very base of what I believe to be America is being challenged in ways I never could have imagined...torture, women like Sotomayor being labeled a racist, women like Michelle Obama being called an elitist- (for the very same activities that they praised Laura Bush for), and the name calling from both sides ratcheting up the rhetoric everyday.

What happened to speak softly and carry a big stick?

I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sides are being drawn&#8230;and choices are going to have to be made. For so long, I have believed I could find a balanced Christian viewpoint that would be in the middle somewhere..and yet, I believe that less and less these days. </p>
<p>Because while our middle is expanding, the bizarre reasoning of the extreme right is also expanding..and suddenly I find myself being sucked into groups and conversations where the very base of what I believe to be America is being challenged in ways I never could have imagined&#8230;torture, women like Sotomayor being labeled a racist, women like Michelle Obama being called an elitist- (for the very same activities that they praised Laura Bush for), and the name calling from both sides ratcheting up the rhetoric everyday.</p>
<p>What happened to speak softly and carry a big stick?</p>
<p>I</p>
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		<title>By: writestuff444</title>
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		<dc:creator>writestuff444</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newt...yeah..that describes him well...a little Newt...with beady eyes, and a small brain..(they say he&#039;s actually intelligent..)  I see him clearly in the men of The Handmaid&#039;s Tale....or in The Stepford Wives. 

I know..I&#039;m being catty..Well, I feel catty,when I think of women giving away the rights we worked so hard for them to have..and allowing men like Newt Gingrich and even that silly Huckabee to tell them how to live their lives   Women are the problem in this &quot;battle&quot;. What makes a woman settle for the leadership of people like Newt Gingrich? I mean really..Anne Coulter and Newt Gingrich?  ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newt&#8230;yeah..that describes him well&#8230;a little Newt&#8230;with beady eyes, and a small brain..(they say he&#8217;s actually intelligent..)  I see him clearly in the men of The Handmaid&#8217;s Tale&#8230;.or in The Stepford Wives. </p>
<p>I know..I&#8217;m being catty..Well, I feel catty,when I think of women giving away the rights we worked so hard for them to have..and allowing men like Newt Gingrich and even that silly Huckabee to tell them how to live their lives   Women are the problem in this &#8220;battle&#8221;. What makes a woman settle for the leadership of people like Newt Gingrich? I mean really..Anne Coulter and Newt Gingrich?  ..</p>
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		<title>By: Never Mind Blacks, Immigrants, Gays: Kill the Pagans! &#171; Cocking A Snook!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Never Mind Blacks, Immigrants, Gays: Kill the Pagans! &#171; Cocking A Snook!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mind Blacks, Immigrants, Gays: Kill the&#160;Pagans!  8 06 2009   Good discussion at Betty&#8217;s about Obama and Elie Wiesel, religious wars and what it will take to stop fighting them when at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mind Blacks, Immigrants, Gays: Kill the&nbsp;Pagans!  8 06 2009   Good discussion at Betty&#8217;s about Obama and Elie Wiesel, religious wars and what it will take to stop fighting them when at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, if I were a Gingrich Grinch seeking to &quot;educate&quot; through aggressive confrontation, I might hammer away at the fact that the news media and SCOTUS, thus the Constitution itself, are surrounded by Catholics, out of all proportion to their rightful influence in our diverse secular society and government.  

Sotomayor actually pads that controlling majority of the highest court!  No help from a pagan pov, and if Gingrich really were concerned about his personal faith  in god gaining power, he&#039;d be supporting rather than attacking her.  (And he would support President Obama as an adult convert to Christianity, just as valid as Gingrich&#039; own conversion surely?)

So personal power, not power for his faith is what he really craves and why he fights. He&#039;s admitted as much from his start in politics 20-some years ago. See pages 174-6 in The Gentleman from Georgia, e.g.:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Newt was thrilled as were his supporters back home. . .
&quot;The number one fact about the news media is that they love fights.  You have to give them confrontations [to] get attention and when you get attention, you can educate.  Now I am a famous person.&quot;

He was famous, in a way. But that fame was indeed built on confrontation and an aggressive manner that made many people uncomfortable. . .In this circus Newt was one of the main acts. Everywhere he went he was beseiged by reporters and admirers . . .
&quot;I can&#039;t believe how well this is going,&quot; Newt remarked after an especially long day.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, if I were a Gingrich Grinch seeking to &#8220;educate&#8221; through aggressive confrontation, I might hammer away at the fact that the news media and SCOTUS, thus the Constitution itself, are surrounded by Catholics, out of all proportion to their rightful influence in our diverse secular society and government.  </p>
<p>Sotomayor actually pads that controlling majority of the highest court!  No help from a pagan pov, and if Gingrich really were concerned about his personal faith  in god gaining power, he&#8217;d be supporting rather than attacking her.  (And he would support President Obama as an adult convert to Christianity, just as valid as Gingrich&#8217; own conversion surely?)</p>
<p>So personal power, not power for his faith is what he really craves and why he fights. He&#8217;s admitted as much from his start in politics 20-some years ago. See pages 174-6 in The Gentleman from Georgia, e.g.:</p>
<blockquote><p>Newt was thrilled as were his supporters back home. . .<br />
&#8220;The number one fact about the news media is that they love fights.  You have to give them confrontations [to] get attention and when you get attention, you can educate.  Now I am a famous person.&#8221;</p>
<p>He was famous, in a way. But that fame was indeed built on confrontation and an aggressive manner that made many people uncomfortable. . .In this circus Newt was one of the main acts. Everywhere he went he was beseiged by reporters and admirers . . .<br />
&#8220;I can&#8217;t believe how well this is going,&#8221; Newt remarked after an especially long day.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may blog about this today:  Newt Gingrich wants to keep the religious-political fight going, no matter what peace they rest of us may yearn for.  And I mean that outright religious fighting now, and Betty, I might reconsider because this IS pretty simple, straightforward exploitation of faith for personal power, appealing to folks&#039; worst fears and hatreds rather than their Lincolnesque &quot;better angels.&quot;

He calls a Latina SCOTUS nominee&#039;s judicial philosophy racist and bigoted (although there have only been three &quot;Other Than White Males&quot;of 113 in America&#039;s history, you do the math -- that&#039;s as small a minority as homeschooling, smaller than gay Americans.)  Bad enough.  But now he is inciting his base specifically against the 16% of the American population who told Pew we are unaffiliated to any organized religion.  He is calling us pagan and saying we&#039;ve unconstitutionally surrounded the REAL Americans, right here at home -- Holy War isn&#039;t just on the other side of the world and God&#039;s word (as received by certain conservative white males) goes, never mind the Constitution or the rest of the people.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/apagansblog/2009/06/pagans-arent-americans---gingrich.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pagans Aren&#039;t Americans: Gingrich&lt;/a&gt;

And Huckabee help is helping -- they are trying to out-fatwa each other in branding America a theocracy and ameding the Constitution if need be, to make that legal.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Newt  Gingrich, the thrice divorced defender of family values and Catholicism, warned &quot;I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator.&quot;  

Which would be news to our Founders as well as to the Constitution, that gives rather different requirements.

Apparently from Newt&#039;s perspective we Pagans are not Americans, for in his fatwa he warned Americans that they are surrounded by &quot;Paganism.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since Gingrich recently converted to Catholicism, I guess he figures an actual crusade for president might beat a mere campaign?  

Black Americans were the same under-20 percentage of the South when I was growing up, and they sure made good scapegoat targets for white male Christian conservative politician populism. And Gingrich is a HISTORY professor of all things, he knows exactly what he&#039;s doing.  I&#039;d have to be even stupider than he dismisses women and progressives and humanists as being, to &quot;believe&quot; otherwise.

The question now is, how will real Americans and specifically real Christians respond?  Our history will be written in that . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may blog about this today:  Newt Gingrich wants to keep the religious-political fight going, no matter what peace they rest of us may yearn for.  And I mean that outright religious fighting now, and Betty, I might reconsider because this IS pretty simple, straightforward exploitation of faith for personal power, appealing to folks&#8217; worst fears and hatreds rather than their Lincolnesque &#8220;better angels.&#8221;</p>
<p>He calls a Latina SCOTUS nominee&#8217;s judicial philosophy racist and bigoted (although there have only been three &#8220;Other Than White Males&#8221;of 113 in America&#8217;s history, you do the math &#8212; that&#8217;s as small a minority as homeschooling, smaller than gay Americans.)  Bad enough.  But now he is inciting his base specifically against the 16% of the American population who told Pew we are unaffiliated to any organized religion.  He is calling us pagan and saying we&#8217;ve unconstitutionally surrounded the REAL Americans, right here at home &#8212; Holy War isn&#8217;t just on the other side of the world and God&#8217;s word (as received by certain conservative white males) goes, never mind the Constitution or the rest of the people.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/apagansblog/2009/06/pagans-arent-americans---gingrich.html" rel="nofollow">Pagans Aren&#8217;t Americans: Gingrich</a></p>
<p>And Huckabee help is helping &#8212; they are trying to out-fatwa each other in branding America a theocracy and ameding the Constitution if need be, to make that legal.</p>
<blockquote><p>Newt  Gingrich, the thrice divorced defender of family values and Catholicism, warned &#8220;I am not a citizen of the world. I am a citizen of the United States because only in the United States does citizenship start with our creator.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Which would be news to our Founders as well as to the Constitution, that gives rather different requirements.</p>
<p>Apparently from Newt&#8217;s perspective we Pagans are not Americans, for in his fatwa he warned Americans that they are surrounded by &#8220;Paganism.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Gingrich recently converted to Catholicism, I guess he figures an actual crusade for president might beat a mere campaign?  </p>
<p>Black Americans were the same under-20 percentage of the South when I was growing up, and they sure made good scapegoat targets for white male Christian conservative politician populism. And Gingrich is a HISTORY professor of all things, he knows exactly what he&#8217;s doing.  I&#8217;d have to be even stupider than he dismisses women and progressives and humanists as being, to &#8220;believe&#8221; otherwise.</p>
<p>The question now is, how will real Americans and specifically real Christians respond?  Our history will be written in that . . .</p>
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		<title>By: writestuff444</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, I think maybe JJ has hit the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, I think maybe JJ has hit the nail on the head.</p>
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